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How do you tell a real elite from a fake elite?

Posted by intellisg on August 2, 2007

real-elite.jpgI don’t know about you, but did you ever wish you had a portable shit snooper that could smell out a fake elite? Well I’ve searched ebay, it doesn’t exist! That’s an indication of how many times I had the desire to know whether, I am actually listening to a fake or real elite as he yaps away – sounds familiar? Ever been in that situation when you’re watching TV or listening to that guy on the podium?

How do you really tell the real from the fake? Do you really want to know?

You would think in our digital age. The task of separating the chaff from the wheat, men from boys, real from fake, elites from the phoney’s shouldn’t be all too difficult these days. All we really need to do is authenticate his credentials in the internet. After all, it takes less than 5 minutes i.e find out whether that ivy league degree he’s so proud of wasn’t purchased from a side street in Bangkok. No luck there, I am afraid, because even if he happens to be a real ivy leaguer, that doesn’t make him an anymore an elite than living in a cave necessarily makes you an archeologist!

Takes more than just a piece of paper to be a real elite – you got to have the right stuff and just to complicated matters, searching for the real one these days is like looking for a needle in the haystack only because they’re so many duds around pretending to be the real McCoy.

Don’t believe me – consider this.

Exhibit (A), there are shiploads of well educated elites which are good for nothing. Walking and talking Chernobyl’s. Exhibit (B) There are loads of elites who just know how to talk all day without really being able to deliver the goods. These are the NATO variety (no action, talk only). Exhibit (C) Then there are even those who think they know it all. These are the worst and they fall into the category of the ‘See Pah Kiang’ (Mr.Know it all). Unlike variety A and B who know when to bow out. These elites actually believe they can out run a speeding bullet and fly like plane. When they do leap of course, it’s just one giant swan dive – proving they are no more elites in the way we don’t expect babies to land the space shuttle!

This raises the question: how can we actually find out whether a person is a real elite? To paraphrase: how can we really be sure that person who represents himself as a subject matter expert knows really knows what he’s talking about?

Before we begin, lets look at the pay outs of working with a real elite and pit falls of ending up with a dud case.

I have always believed that the shortest distance between two points is working with an elite who really knows his stuff – having an elite doctor, an elite accountant and or even an elite coach is a life saver. At the end of the day, they may cost more, but pound for pound when one squares off the accounts the returns can be immensely rewarding and fulfilling.

For one, the real elites – never waste our time by having us run around in circles. Usually when they roll up their sleeves and get directly into the guts of the issue, they pin that sucker down and come out as the man of the hour – what was once either a life threatening problem just disappears – that tight spot that just doesn’t buy you one night of restful sleep just spreads out beautifully like a highway. Anyone who has ever had to work regularly with professionals will reaffirm the importance of taking the time, effort and attention to make sure they’re in the company of these ‘few good men’ – the real elites.

Conversely trusting a fake elite is like marrying a transvestite – it’s the stuff of mother of all nightmares. It really doesn’t matter whether it’s a matter which involves money, faith, charity or something as important as health. A phoney will just let you down big time – give you false hope till of course, you see that all there is to it is card board and plaster of Paris. Only for them to backtrack to put the blame on you! After that the downward spiral begins: the truth sinks in. You realize that he wasn’t even half of what he said he was despite his ivy league degree. By that time, you’re neck deep wallowing in shit. You acted on his advice. You’re committed everything and now pulling out will just cost you an arm or a leg. On the return trip you will find yourself hurt, disillusioned and feeling like a fool. In certain cases trusting a fake elite may even result in finding yourself broke or in debt – that’s the low down on how bad it can get, when we put our trust in fake elites.

This is serious shit, usually by now, I’ve dived into the subject, but in this case the proposition of being able to distinguish a real from a fake elite is so important. I even have to come this far just to just set the ground! I just want to share with you. This may even be the most important life changing article you are ever going to read in the internet this year! And I wish to God I was joking!

Now that you know what the cost of the fall is and the pay out’s of getting it right, let’s dive into the nuts of bolts – how can we really distinguish a real from a fake elite?You would imagine the best way is by relying on recommendations and personal references. But in my opinion that’s dicey only because you don’t know what’s the relationship between the recommender and the elite recommended. Are they related? Do they have a vested interest to help each other? Are they freemasons? Or maybe they just belong to the same mutual appreciation society? As you can see, that’s hardly an acid test.

Another way is to peruse through the history of the elite in order to gain a definite perspective on what they can actually bring to the table. However, lets get real, how many times have we looked at a CV only to interview the person and express with a disappointed wan, “I kena con la.” Yeap the adage holds true alright, if it sounds too good to be true, most likely there’s something fishy about it.

So we are back to square one.

Fortunately through the years, I have upgraded my shit snooper to spot out the real from the fake elites. I mean it comes with everything, whistles and bells and even an ejection seat and I am going to share it with just you in this article.

1. Super Listening Skills

Are you familiar with the saying, “I know you think you understand what you thought I said, but the problem is, what you thought you heard me say is not really what I meant?” You would have thought the major part of being an effective communicator is to be able to come across persuasively – by yapping away. Nothing can be further from the truth, in fact according to management experts, 80% of effective communication involves listening. In today’s high-stress, fast-paced business climate the case for listening has never ever before been more difficult and that’s what real elites typically do – they listen.

So don’t be surprise if they don’t even stand out from the crowd. Half the time, you don’t even see them because they got their asses up in the air as they put their ears close to the ground listening. Real elites know hearing isn’t nearly enough these days, if one really desires to understand what is at the root of problems – fake elites on the other hand rarely ever listen and even when they do they only hear what they want to hear. Could this be the reason why they are so out of touch with the broader community? That they even come across as disconnected and out of synch with the anxieties and concerns of their community. Often producing mother of all disconnect statements like infamous quote by Marie Antoinette – “let them eat cake.” We all know what happened to her don’t we?

Real elites understand part and parcel of being a professional requires the cultivation beyond just competence trust i.e the professional ability to deliver, but also the ability to display authentic empathy. Now if you’re thinking, this is just wishy washy “I bare my heart to you and I just leave with nothing tangible.” Then I am afraid you’re missing a huge chunk of the discourse here, real elites have a strategic reason for encouraging their clients to recount their narratives, they even consider it key – as they know their fears and anxieties frequently hold the key to resolving their much of their problems. This may translate into something as practical as a physician acknowledging his patient’s version of the truth even though all the clinical evidence suggest otherwise. This acknowledgement may mean repeating test or reconsidering a long and strongly held diagnosis.

This is where the magic kicks in and I will be honest with all of you. I haven’t really figured out how they (the real elites) flick that switch, but when the inversion happens – when they start to accept the POV of their clients it suggest that something symbolic gets broken down. It denotes a shift of power from professional to client which goes a long way to infuse the relationship with great equality that simply goes beyond relationship. Now most people would say that’s a people skill, but I disagree only because the flicking of the switch part could even be performed by the likes of you and me. I mean you could even try it out with your girlfriend. My fav technique is, “you know what honey, Friday is the day when I usually go for a island bike ride (make sure you pause here and look really intensely into her eyes), but I just want to give you this day to do anything you want with it (we all know that’s a lie right, bc its actually Sat). You get the drift right – I guarantee you 100%, you be an elite man for that whole evening and the best part is she will even allow you to flick her switches, just make sure you file those nails down – OK.

2.They never reinforce failure.

You know what – there is a military adage that all staff officers know by heart, “never reinforce failure.” That’s to say, in lay language, if you fail, by all means try again and even if you fail the second time, think it through and after that try again. But if the outcome is the same on all three occasions, then it could be said if you try again for the fourth time, you’re either insane or a fake elite, because logic suggest the outcome for the fourth or even fifth attempt will not differ from the three attempts.

Real elites and it doesn’t matter what field of expertise they are in, never ever reinforce failure. What makes them real as opposed to fake elites is their capacity to recognize first hand these cognitive pitfalls i.e the limits of their professional disciplines. That’s to say they know the point where ‘the road runs out’ or as Russians like to say, ‘where the river gives way to the sea.’

In practical terms it just means, they don’t trust themselves and they entrust even less of their judgment to their vocation. Now this may sound like a contradiction in terms, because you are all wondering what sort of professional would he be if he didn’t have the requisite confidence in his trade?

The short answer is a good one, only because real elites are overtly sensitive of how their professional thinking usually produces predictable mistakes. They understand only too well the flaw which exist in every professional discipline, the absence of a system that neither seeks to detect these mistakes nor deed their lessons back to the industry to prevent their reoccurrence – so unlike fake elites who usually ride on the dictum, “past performance is an indication of future performance.” Real elites reverse the dictum by adopting the attitude, “past performance is never ever a guarantee of future performance.” It may point the way, but that’s all.

And that readers is where we come to an end. As the Indian sages would say, ‘how does one eat an elephant? Cut it up into little parts.’ This is a first parter of a series of two and I hope to continue again.

(This has been brought to you by your friendly brotherhood controller, Aurora / By Darkness / Harphoon – how do you tell a real elite from a fake elite? – ES 2998279ES – The Brotherhood Press 2007)

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70 Responses to “How do you tell a real elite from a fake elite?”

  1. inspir3d said

    indeed, listening is the forgotten skill

  2. darkness said

    My dear new readers,

    This will be the new order. You will read and I will write and we get to know each other.

    Do not be shy, go with it. Just let go.

    There is a time to make things happen and a time to let things happen.

    This is the latter.

    Tq

    Darkness 2007

  3. Alex said

    What the hell is an “elite”? And why are singaporeans so hung up on the term? Really, I want to know. It seems to me that in many cases, it is the “average singaporean” guy that labels someone as “elite” and then bashes them for not being “worthy” of the title. Kind of ironic. Now, on the other hand..if somebody has specifically called themself “elite” then I can understand how that makes them a target, but I have not found many examples of this online.

    I’m not singaporean so take it easy on me if I’m not understanding you.

  4. As It Is. said

    Very profound. Will wait for your second part before making any further comments. Thanks, Darkness and Harphoon.

    Remain yours always:

    AS IT IS!

  5. prof Small Timer said

    Great read. Well-researched. Very true.

    Thank you sir!

  6. IHateTheBrotherhood said

    Nabey ! Delete my posting and then start to act like a hero.

    Brotherhood so brave, come out and lets meet in Orchard Road lah !

    No balls don’t envy scholars ok ?

  7. Jeannie said

    Darkness & Harpoon,

    I work in the private banking industry and like you, I know exactly what you mean by “I wished I had a shit snooper.” 🙂

    Very insightful, honest and well research take on what makes elites tick. May I just say a special thanks to Harpoon.

    Its always great to start the day off with a cuppa and a BP read.

    Have a good day!

  8. Dr T.Lee said

    Dear Sir & Madam,

    Awesome write up! Came in today and everybody in the office is on this page. Great! I mean this is really great. Kudo’s darkness & boys.

  9. pissoff said

    You know a fake elite when that elite tell you that you need very large salary to gain moral authority ! Sound more like ediot !

  10. johnny Lecraze said

    I have wanted to say it but this just puts it so clearly. I know this sounds crazy but its like I wrote this!

  11. SARAH said

    Good Morning Bambi Bad Boy Darkness,

    You know I dont agree with what you are doing. Its just plain destructive. Dont think I dont know. When the Italian cycling team called Lance Armstrong a dope user. He said, they dont deserve a single set in the Tour Le France. THe US team beat them on every single set!

    You people are doing the same to Kevin Lim and Bernard Leong just because they didnt mention the brotherhood press.

    I am not stupid you know.

    http://www.singaporeangle.com/2007/07/the_invariable_public_nature_o.html#more

    Pls stop it. I wish I could say it was a nice write up only I kept thinking what was it all for and that spoilt it all for me.

    S

  12. inspir3d said

    “Nabey ! Delete my posting and then start to act like a hero.

    Brotherhood so brave, come out and lets meet in Orchard Road lah !

    No balls don’t envy scholars ok ?”

    hi, i am the one who deleted your comments.
    u want to meet, ok let’s meet at Orchard Road.
    drop me an email with the details.

  13. SARAH said

    I remember in the old forum days in icered.com, the boys referred to this as

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blitzkrieg

    No one wins. At the end only one man is standing. I wonder does that make you a real or fake elite Darkness?

  14. pissoff said

    SARAH,
    can’t you see that the way Darkness write the article refer to certain party of greater power and responsibility other than those individuals that you have in mind ?

    Have you misunderstood who darkness refer to whose the really fake elite is ?

    Don’t be oversensitive over who darkness refer, just refer to it with grain of salt.

  15. caleb said

    Hello darkness,

    Fantastic article! I really mean it. I even printed it out for my whole dept to read as I really believe it contains some nuggets of wisdom. I must say this is a very singaporean take on things and I must admit. I myself have seen the 3 categories of useless elites you talked about.

    I just want to know. You gave an example of the patient voicing his concern to his doctor and you said the doctor may even call for a second round of test. The question is this -how practical is this in real life? Are you saying the doctor doesnt know his job? This part is not very clear.I really hope you will try to answer this question as the examples you gave was clear but I am still a bit blur on this point.

    You also said, the real elites recognise the limits of their trade or vocation. Could you pls explain on this. I know you did say it was even a contradiction in terms. This may well sound like a very stupid question, but I am only asking it because a few of my subordinates did highlight this matter to me by saying if someone is not sure of his job then how can he be good in it? And you say he can be good? Confusing, pls help me.

    Another thing what is sarah saying? What is this Blitz writing.

    Thank you once again and have a very pleasant day.

  16. caleb said

    Sarah,

    I think you made a mistake. The brotherhood is not angry bc of what you linked, that is wrong. It is because in this

    http://www.singaporeangle.com/2007/07/introduction_to_singapore_soci.html

    review of blogosphere, they (the brotherhood) were not mentioned. However you are right abt the two characters. I think they were responsible for this along with the panel in the Singapore Angle who reviewed it as well.

    I just thought it would be good to clarify matters.

  17. pissoff said

    why dont IHateTheScholar say something to IHateTheBrotherhood that scholar are suppose to be humble and peaceful, not violent and arrogant?

  18. caleb said

    Sarah,

    I do not know what they the brotherhood actually want e.g retraction, correction or admission or may be this is a warning for others never to do that again or we will make you eat your words.Whatever it is SA are maintaining their position. I believe they have a panel of reviewers, they are also silent so it must mean agreement.

    Having said that what is clear to all of us here is the strategy of the brotherhood is designed to discredit, undermine and render ineffective at all cost Singapore Angles position. I dont believe it is directed at those two people. Rather at SA because their panel endorsed it so the brotherhood will go for the general never the foot soldier.

    Is this what is meant by Blitzkrieg Sarah? Am I right? I dont know very much about their history, but I would like to find out just for curiosity sake.

    Bye

  19. z said

    While I found this article a little thought-provoking, I thought it suffered from two flaws.

    First, no attempt was made to define ‘elite’ at the outset. I understand you are trying to expound on the character traits of ‘real’ elites (e.g. they are good listeners), but what makes an elite in the first place (either ‘real’ or ‘fake’)? Reputation? Salary? Line of work? Is it possible to generalize across many disparate fields, and lump all the elites together (e.g. elite neurosurgeons with elite car mechanics?)

    Second, your article lacked concrete examples, and came off sounding like management-guru spiel. I assume that your choice of the word ‘elite’ (as opposed to a dozen other words like ‘champion’ or ‘winner’ or ‘high-flyer’) was intended to allude to the live issue of Singaporean elites (e.g. the Wee Shu Min debacle etc.), but I don’t see any clear connections being drawn in your article to that discourse.

    I apologize if my honest comments have come across as excessively harsh. Suffice to say, your article has made me think, and that I appreciate.

  20. inspir3d said

    “If you want, you get your Brotherhood to show up, my whole gang will be there. I know you are not the harm-chee type, but my organization of scholars want to find out who the brotherhood is.”

    sir,

    If you are throwing down the gauntlet, don’t do it on the internet behind a pseudonym. it makes you look like you are the coward throwing taunts behind the keyboard and computer screen.

    besides, i don’t think you are a scholar. you behave more like a thug than someone with a scholarship. i think, you are an imposter out to make scholars look bad.

  21. Consortium of Bohemians and Artists Who Love Tim-Tams said

    Strange you center peeps are!

    In our land, The Wilderness, we use personality tests.

    As do we decide who are our friends.

    Emissary
    for Royal Commission of Bohemians and Artists Who Love Tim-Tams
    Consortium of Bohemians and Artists Who Love Tim-Tams

  22. agogogirl said

    “I understand you are trying to expound on the character traits of ‘real’ elites (e.g. they are good listeners), but what makes an elite in the first place”

    Sir I for one found darkness definition very clear, so clear infact that I dont even have any problem imagining what he is talking abt. I wonder what is there to define something we all already know so very well –

    “For one, the real elites – never waste our time by having us run around in circles. Usually when they roll up their sleeves and get directly into the guts of the issue, they pin that sucker down and come out as the man of the hour – what was once either a life threatening problem just disappears – that tight spot that just doesn’t buy you one night of restful sleep just spreads out beautifully like a highway. Anyone who has ever had to work regularly with professionals will reaffirm the importance of taking the time, effort and attention to make sure they’re in the company of these ‘few good men’ – the real elites.

    Conversely trusting a fake elite is like marrying a transvestite – it’s the stuff of mother of all nightmares. It really doesn’t matter whether it’s a matter which involves money, faith, charity or something as important as health. A phoney will just let you down big time – give you false hope till of course, you see that all there is to it is card board and plaster of Paris. Only for them to backtrack to put the blame on you! After that the downward spiral begins”

    I would however like to ask darkness whether he has any empirical proof or statistics to show the benefits of a physician listening and acting on the gut feel of his patient’s opinion.

    As a physician I find this at odds. I really do hope the authors will follow up.

    Many Thanks and a very enjoyable read. As always darkness shines

  23. Consortium of Bohemians and Artists Who Love Tim-Tams said

    In response to Z:

    The Royal Commission has sent me to give you an example.

    In one speech, it was put out that some potential elites were enthusiastic about being elites, most certainly, by voicing ‘Sure, I’m a sucker for a challenge!’

    In our land, The Wilderness, such a person would never pass our tests for any contact nor association.

    We do not trust people who are always oozing with self-confidence. We find them too dangerous for others’ good.

    That’s not to say that you cannot be a confident person. To take another example, look at Dr. Suzaina Kadir, who’s a very confident lady, so much so that, she’s actually known for making male students feel intimidated.

    You can be confident as a person but we’ll need to see consistency in two qualities:

    1) An inclination towards self-reflection, and;

    2) An inclination to be child-like when interfacing with something new.

    Emissary
    for Royal Commission of Bohemians and Artists Who Love Tim-Tams
    Consortium of Bohemians and Artists Who Love Tim-Tams

  24. agogogirl said

    “I assume that your choice of the word ‘elite’ (as opposed to a dozen other words like ‘champion’ or ‘winner’ or ‘high-flyer’) was intended to allude to the live issue of Singaporean elites (e.g. the Wee Shu Min debacle etc.), but I don’t see any clear connections being drawn in your article to that discourse.”

    Again sir, allow me to draw you to the 3 examples of elites which once again we are all so familiar with, but for some inexplicable reason as you mentioned, “I dont see any clear connection” – Really I dont really want to come across as rude or even difficult, but I do believe you are just being difficult for the sake of being so, dont you think so Z?

    Pls see this: I really have absolutely no idea how clear as day this can be other than what it alludes itself not to be.

    “Takes more than just a piece of paper to be a real elite – you got to have the right stuff and just to complicated matters, searching for the real one these days is like looking for a needle in the haystack only because they’re so many duds around pretending to be the real McCoy.

    Don’t believe me – consider this.

    Exhibit (A), there are shiploads of well educated elites which are good for nothing. Walking and talking Chernobyl’s. Exhibit (B) There are loads of elites who just know how to talk all day without really being able to deliver the goods. These are the NATO variety (no action, talk only). Exhibit (C) Then there are even those who think they know it all. These are the worst and they fall into the category of the ‘See Pah Kiang’ (Mr.Know it all). Unlike variety A and B who know when to bow out. These elites actually believe they can out run a speeding bullet and fly like plane. When they do leap of course, it’s just one giant swan dive – proving they are no more elites in the way we don’t expect babies to land the space shuttle!”

    You mean to say ‘Z’ you still find it difficult to connect the dots?????????????????????????????????????????????????????? I am not deliberately defending those fly boys, only when I do see post which comes across as ridicolously venal to the point of being frivolously unimaginative. I do wonder what is the purpose of living really. I do. Maybe I am an elite?

    Pls Bambi, I have done you all a favor do answer my question. You all promised to be good remember?

  25. shima said

    Inspir3d, well said.

    That is why sometimes I do not think that the brotherhood is really the brotherhood – who in their mind would throw the gauntlets and pass silly little remarks about war / spacecraft / alien etc etc behind their keyboard, and squat and shit on Mr Brown, Mr Wang’s site etc etc.

    And like what Caleb says – Inpir3d – I do not know if IS supports all these taunts and threats, since it is on your IS website? And since YOU posted the Singapore Angle vodcast on your IS site, I think I know where you stand. And I feel good IS was in that list!

    I like Scimitar the most when she shush them minions up and there was no sound !(on Scholar vs Jew part 1) Lovely. And then Darkness had to continue with an addendum, bashing Scholars vs Jews, Part 2 and now bashing Elites (whatever that term may mean.) (part one – watch out for part 2)

    Still when Darkness writes, I enjoy some of his quiet personal reflective moments and at other articles, I see a lot of sucking up by his minions, which reminds me of Crabbe with Draco Malfoy, The Dark Lord and his death eaters.

    And yes, I wonder who is the genuine Elite Darkness. And that is what makes the BP so intriguing that I still continue to read it.

    Anyway, Inspir3d thanks, I believe, like many others, we truly appreciate all your hard work on this compilation.

    Darkness and BP – thanks too. Like I said – I learn a lot from your writings on Jews, but some articles eg going into Scholars …they do suck and sounds screwy……..

    Like wine – I think Darkness and BP, with time, will mature and respect other POV without going into war at every little corner, disagreement. Shows utter lack of confidence in themselves actually.

    Best rgds

  26. agogogirl said

    Good day,

    Just a comment, there is no point talking to darkness as far as the Singapore angle matter is concerned. As for the Intelligent Singaporean, the fact that they hosted BL’s post speaks volumes about their position and the way he sees the BP. I will have to agree with you Shima.

    I personally dont see anything resembling anything remotely close to an equal relationship based on mutual trust and respect.

    I think that could be why there is even a general boycott by the brotherhood of the IS. We the old readers can see it only to clearly. You notice the red eye that used to be here is gone and it is Aurora and not the brotherhood press doing all the posting. And they dont play here anymore, it is only darkness.

    Were they childish to have responded in the way they did to SA? I really have no idea.

    Rest assured, those boys will never allow the IS to remain neutral on this issue. On this I can guarantee you all.

    I and many other older readers of the BP do however wonder why werent the brotherhood press even given a mention? Till this day no explaination has either being made by the panel of reviewers in Singapore Angle. While I do believe it is highly likely BL forgot, wouldnt this omission have been picked up by the reviewing team in the Singapore Angle. After all what really is their function? To ensure accuracy, so wouldnt perhaps someone have alerted someone to this glaring omission? Did they even bother to review the video, I wonder? If they did, how was it possible to know of the IS and yet completely miss out on the BP? This raises the question is it possible come to the IS without stumbling on the BP? I believe not. So this raises the possibility there was most likely a malicious and mischevious hand to all this.

    In either case I for one was not happy the IS remained neutral on this point and I can assure you neither will ppl like darkness, if I know them, they are probably searching for another site by now to move on. They dont deal with ppl how sit on fences, these ppl dont build sand castles.

    As for BL & Co, I think we can more or less dismiss him as irrelevant.

  27. Aurora said

    IHateTheBrotherhood,

    I will be recommending to darkness to get your IP directly from the IS here for follow up.

    Happy reading

    Aurora

  28. Aurora said

    Dear New Readers,

    Due to the high level of personal attacks directed against darkness especially.

    As the controller, I Aurora will be holding all publications, till the site is cleaned.

    I will also recommend to darkness not to reply to any of the questions presented here.

    Regards

    Aurora

  29. Aurora said

    I really do not see the point of advantage of posting so many good article just to allow a bunch of idiots who do not even know how to write one sentence to spoil it all.

    So the brotherhood press will be suspended!

    I am the controller, it is the right of the controller to exercise the power to decide to post or to hold.

    Aurora.

  30. inspir3d said

    aiya, don’t waste time on that ihate guy la.
    we got better things to do

    some prankster with nothing better to do than to spam my blog.
    the only thing these guys are good for is to increase the page views on my statcounter.

  31. Aurora said

    Agogogal,

    I refer to your above post (23)

    1.“I would however like to ask darkness whether he has any empirical proof or statistics to show the benefits of a physician listening and acting on the gut feel of his patient’s opinion.
    As a physician I find this at odds. I really do hope the authors will follow up.”

    As an old reader of the BP, I am sure you realize each article is accompanied with a detailed bibliography.

    Pls note this is an ES which stands for Executive Summary as opposed to the EP version which means Extended Piece.

    Thus, many of the detailed elaborations have been edited and shorten by me, otherwise this read alone runs 7 pages! This should therefore never be treated as an exhaustive account as the target audience is the lay reader and not specifically designed for physicians such as yourself.

    I am sure you can well understand.

    In reply to your request for empirical proof – pls refer to “How doctors think” by Jerome Groopman / Houghton Mifflin, where he noted on average doctor’s diagnoses are often characterized by 15% of inaccuracies.

    You may also wish to examine a similar article which reiterates this albeit suggesting a higher level of inaccuracies associated with clinical type diagnoses along with other evidence which suggest doctors are not so different from any other professional when it comes to determining causal factors i.e they too get it very wrong!

    Hence darkness point perhaps it best to listen to the patient.

    Eric G Campel et al. New England Journal of Medicine, April 26, 2007 , pp 1742-1750.

    I hope this answers your question satisfactorily.

    Another thing, it may be wise for you to convey to Scimitar and frens not to push their luck with darkness.

    He values the “unspoken compact” only as much as all of you choose to regard it. Judging from the way all of you gave him such a unilateral ultimatum no one in the brotherhood really understands including myself why he even bothered to entertain such a select band of insignificant readers. I am sure it was for only sentimental reasons and nothing else.

    He did not say this, but this is the general feel that has been conveyed to me by Harphoon.

    I think it is best if all of you fade out, if you cannot say anything constructive as this is seriously interfering with my work to keep the publications running smoothly.

    Pls try to take this constructively.

    Happy Reading

    Aurora

  32. Aurora said

    Z,

    I refer to your comments above at (20)

    “what makes an elite in the first place (either ‘real’ or ‘fake’)? Reputation? Salary? Line of work? Is it possible to generalize across many disparate fields, and lump all the elites together (e.g. elite neurosurgeons with elite car mechanics?)”

    In the extended version of this article, the author darkness and researcher Harphoon based their definition of an elite on an article published in the July / August issue 2007 of the Harvard Business review – pls refer to “The Making of an Expert” by K. Anders Ericsson.

    In reply to your second part query: this was noted by the author himself where he wrote the following in the EP version.

    “…though it is not possible to undertake a comparative, that manages to successfully harmonize all the respective fields of expertise to derive at a common datum of what constitutes an expert or elite – this does not discount that elites ALL embody a common credo that allows them to excel in their respective field of expertise, be they politicians or janitors.

    ‘Good is good’ and though we may quibble no end whether ‘good’ for a painter is synonymous with let’s say good in the context of a test pilot, one cannot discount they have all reached the pinnacle of their respective fields and this must simply point to some conclusive belief they all subscribe to a similar set of personal belief or mission orientated value system……it is this that will form the chassis of what we call the first precedent basic of elite associated performance which typifies excellent and holistic performance in either a personal or public capacity.”

    It goes on and on, but for the sake of compactness, I had to cut.

    A short answer to your query is ‘yes’ – elites are elites and they exist irrespective of their vocation interest. Some statistical analysis accompanies this as well. You may also wish to peruse an article also on how ‘value’ play a key role of being considered an elite / Guardian April 25, 2007 by J. Randerson.

    I hope this successfully answers your query.

    Happy Reading

    Regards

    Aurora.

  33. Aurora said

    Caleb

    In refer to your post at (19) “what is meant by Blitzkrieg?”

    I quote from an footnote from the brotherhood gaming manual, the book of ages. Annex 16 / the age of the machine PP 882 / The chronicler

    Pls note this is a term that first made its appearance in the gaming community in late 2002 and is very much associated with the brotherhood style of how they typically mount a planet invasion.

    “In July 2003, the term blitzkrieg in the brotherhood context came to be associated with machine or mechanized styled writing which the brotherhood uses today. This method of writing usually involves a minimum of two or more writers which work as part of a team to regularly produce many of our articles to save labor and research leg work. The whole idea of blitzkrieg or mechanized writing was first developed by darkness using manufacturing know-how used in the field of material resource planning (MRP) and material pull style production commonly called synchronous manufacturing.
    The whole idea is work is divided into either divisions of time zones allowing one author to continue the work of another who hands over shift. Alternatively an article may be segmented into a series of parts, each managed by a writer only for them to met at an appointed time or place to assemble it together as a whole to create a single article – mechanized writing allows the BP to produce articles at a prolific rate, increases accuracy, accountability and takes stock of the work demands of each writer………………..”

    I hope this answers your question successfully Caleb.

    Happy Reading

    Aurora

  34. Aurora said

    NB: ‘Blitzkrieg’ writing is NOT used for travelogues and our on-line stories.

    Sorry forgot to add.

  35. shima said

    Agogogal said

    As for BL & Co, I think we can more or less dismiss him as irrelevant.

    That is the point – I find BP just as irrelevant at times. Agreed? You can’t say ALL their articles are stupendous, awesome and great, right? I tried to read the Great Debates, but my mind swayed. Probably I am not an Elite, so I am not able to understand it. Live and let live. That is the way of the blog.

    Have a sabbatical – and come back a better BP.

    Best rgds

  36. green rover said

    What I personally find as a reader amusing is this, blogs that get one hit a day are the ones telling BP how they should run their business.

    If that isnt delusional, I really dont know what is. Or maybe, I am just not an elite.

    Just my 2 cents

  37. green rover said

    Live and let live?

    Darkness asked a very simple question: why wasn’t the BP mentioned in the a review of blogosphere? On record till today, they haven’t even received a simple answer.

    I see a “live” but excuse me, I fail to see the “let live” part.

    I dont blame them. They work hard to entertain us all.

    They ask so very little. Even that they have to fight tooth and nail for.

    If you must know the readers are so silent because darkness has told them to remain calm – dont for one moment think they stand alone, there are thousands of us.

  38. Aurora said

    Green Rover,

    Maybe I should just cancel the order in the SLF and let the readers all voice their opinion?

    What do you say darkness? I think shima doesnt seem to understand just bc ppl keep quiet, it doesnt mean they dont have an opinion.

  39. Aurora said

    Have a sabbatical? Lets see whether its cleaned up first as controller my word stays / one of my function is to protect the BP against threats and slander / I dont see been done satisfactory / and you can go screw your freedom of speech / even darkness cannot reverse it, the controller may just be a traffic warden, but if she raises her hand even the biggest star ship in the fleet has to scramble to pull their brakes.

    Never underestimate the power of the minion in the scheme of things.

    Happy Reading

    regards

    Aurora

    PS: doesnt mean they arent still writing, they always write. Always.

  40. Aurora said

    “IHateTheBrotherhood

    Says:
    August 2nd, 2007 at 9:53 am
    Nabey ! Delete my posting and then start to act like a hero.

    Brotherhood so brave, come out and lets meet in Orchard Road lah !”

    Hi,

    This is what we are going to do.

    (1) Get your IP

    (2) Issue you an invitation for a bout of Kendo with darkness.

    (3) Videocast it and post it here.

    Has to be (2) bc we dont want to break the penal code or any laws least we be accused of making threats on-line, so the bout will be under the rules of the Kendo Federation.

    BTW did I mention darkness happens to be a 4th dan Kendo instructor who regularly fights using the moniker Aki-sa aka Akira aka Akaritahsu.

    This is what you wanted right? IHateTheBrotherhood – your wish is my command. Pls dont accuse me of overeacting. I am just fulfilling your dreams.

    Always remember the controller is a very powerful person in the BP.

    Happy Reading

    Aurora

  41. shima said

    Darkness said,

    “My dear new readers,

    This will be the new order. You will read and I will write and we get to know each other. ”

    Aurora, I am a new reader. I am sorry I have spoken out of order based on your books.

    I will go on a sabbatical from BP.

    Yes, I am an insignificant reader, like scimitar and many many others. I am just a little nothing in the bigger scheme of things.

    And yes, I am glad BL did not put BP in their vodcast. Imagine someone else reading it, click on BP, chance upon your Great Debates thread, or one of your ‘I don’t care for Freedom of speech” speeches. That would put BL and their vodcast to shame, I think.

    I am just an insignificant non elite who cannot appreciate the great minds and thoughts of the BP writers.

    As it is?

    Yes, Yes. As it is!!

  42. Aurora said

    Shima,

    You want to take pot shots at us and run off now? Who do you think you are confusing us with the PAP?

    Dont you want to feel our democratic freedom foot? Along with our Bill of right hook fist? After all we stayed for your freedom of speech? How do you like the feel of my freedom foot now? Does it hit the spot? Does it smell nice?

    By the time we have finished with you the PAP will look like Deepak Choprak!

    Just bc I am a girl you ppl think you can bully and walk all over me!

    I will have you know the controller of the brotherhood press is a very powerful person! I can even overule darkness!

    Happy Reading

    Reg

    Aurora.

  43. Aurora said

    IHateTheBrotherhood,

    I have excellent news for you.I just spoken to Nacramanga and JDAM, they have happily volunteered to be your personal escorts on the day.

    Then you can show them all what a capable sportsman you are, as you mentioned above in (6)@ August 2nd, 2007 at 9:53 am

    “Brotherhood so brave, come out and lets meet in Orchard Road lah !

    No balls”

    I have left a com-sat in darkness inbox and all he needs to do is signify acceptance and the rest is just the minor detail of extending you an open invitation.

    Are you happy? Your dream has finally come true.

    Are you happy now?

    Happy Reading

    Regards

    Aurora

  44. JDAM said

    Aurora,

    Good job, very good. Anymore threats? insults? name calling?

    Do you actually believe we are here to play statistical tic tac toe to boost the page count?

    We are here to have a meaningful dialogue with our new readers.

    If you disrupt, sabotage or attempt to derail it, then we will consider you a threat that needs to be neutralized.

    Aurora get

    IHateTheBrotherhood IP from the webmaster, we will move fast on this.

    JDAM

  45. Angry_reader said

    Aurora,

    The brotherhood’s actions border closely on criminal intimidation. Do discuss this with a trained professional before proceeding.

    If you are confident that it’s a simple invitation to tea, then proceed to send the invitation letter to the offending party.

    Just some advice from a fan.

    # Criminal intimidation – Whoever threatens another with any injury to his or her person, reputation or property, or to the person or reputation of any one in whom that person is interested, with intent to cause alarm to that person, or to cause that person to do any act which he or she is not legally bound to do, or to omit to do any act which that person is legally entitled to do, as the means of avoiding the execution of such threat, commits criminal intimidation.[115] The penalty is imprisonment of up to two years, or with a fine, or with both. If the threat is to cause death or grievous hurt, or to cause the destruction of any property by fire, or to cause an offence punishable with death or with imprisonment for a term which may extend to seven years or more, or impute unchastity to a woman, the punishment is imprisonment of up to seven years, or with a fine, or with both.[116]

  46. Nacramanga said

    Angry_reader,

    Why dont you go ahead and proceed with a police report since you are so angry and righteous. Go what are you waiting for?

    Dont come here and threaten us with scraps of the law just because it suits you to do.

    Pls proceed with. Please go. What are you waiting for?

    If you believe there is a case that either affects your statutory rights or the rights of others please go ahead.

    By the way, do you have any idea what FC boys stands for Fighting club. Oh dear that could be another case of intimidation now! Or maybe its just a boxing club or a place where we met to play a friendly game of D&D

    Nacramanga

  47. Nacramanga said

    “If you are confident that it’s a simple invitation to tea, then proceed to send the invitation letter to the offending party.”

    I am sorry, I have absolutely confident at all! As you know life is very uncertain these days with globalization and bird flu just around the corner.

    But since he is so insistent. Please see for yourself, if you dont believe me.

    August 2nd, 2007 at 9:53 am

    “Brotherhood so brave, come out and lets meet in Orchard Road lah !

    No balls”

    How can we say no? This whole thing was unnecessary.

    If there isn’t even a minimum standard of law and order where people like darkness are threatened, name called etc.

    How do you expect the BP to do its job? Is this fair to the rest of the readers?

    We expect these elements to be effectively managed. They have not. Under such circumstances Aurora, the controller can pull the brakes!

    Once Aurora is reasonably satisfied law and order has been restored again then the BP will proceed again.

    She has the com. She is the controller and yes in this case she is technically even more powerful that everyone in the brotherhood.

    So lets just all leave it to Aurora.

    Meanwhile I dont want to see anymore threats, name calling and personal remarks.

    Nacramanga

  48. Nacramanga said

    Dear New Readers,

    This is most unfortunate. We have lined up a whole entire range of reading material for you through the weekend including a Parisian Travelogue (our latest) right into the rest of next week.

    However due to certain undesirable elements out to disrupt our broadcast Aurora has very rightly decided to suspend operations.

    This is most regrettable and we are indeed very sorry.

    Nacramanga.

  49. No-Brain Teddy said

    I still find you all very confusing.

    Because, because… So many contexts at once. What if I pick the wrong one to understand, then WSK will wanna sue me!

    Could it also be SMART?

  50. Angry_Reader said

    Nacramanga,

    Actually I’m not being self-righteous at all. I’m giving you guys free advice.

    In Aurora’s 8.27pm, she claims that she wishes to enroll the IS webmaster into digging out the offensive poster’s IP address, then invite our offensive poster to have duel with a kendo stick and then proceeded to make claims about Darkness’ fighting prowess.

    If the offensive poster were to be me. Upon receiving the invitation, I will, along with the discussion on this thread, consult a lawyer to see what options I have. I will want to know if this means that I’m being threatened with bodily harm.

    The true victims in this fracas will be IS and us normal readers because for no good reason at all, they may receive a lawyer letter to extract the brotherhood IP.

    Think carefully before you speak, Nacramanga, by now ihatethebrotherhood would have read this advice and would have proceeded to archive everything. If he’s smart ( I doubt that ), he’ll keep quiet for now until you guys make your move.

    Then you’ll into a mess which you might win but will be costly to you in terms of time and money.

    I think Aurora should do the right thing and make a hasty retreat.

  51. Dr Lim Teck Heng said

    Dear Sir / Madam,

    It is indeed regrettable as a reader of the BP we have to put up like distracting comments, threats etc.

    I for one tremendously like the BP material very much and I have many questions which I want to present to the authors of this article. However due to the numerous distractions, it sad and now I hear the second part will be suspended!

    I am not saying for one moment this is the best article I have ever read in the world, but it is certainly one that goes a very long way to adding to my knowledge of how things work.

    Could Aurora please provide me with a personal link to darkness so that I may communicate with him in a more civilized and peaceful environment.

    I really dont see the point of posting in the IS any more. This is my last post here and from now it is just a place to read and go.

    Many Thanks

  52. Dr Lim Teck Heng said

    To Whom It May Concern,

    This is my personal view. However, I believe much of the nervous energy evident in this site is the result of the recent dispute between the brotherhood and the Singapore Angle concerning their decision not to mention the brotherhood press in their review of the Singapore Blogosphere.

    http://www.singaporeangle.com/2007/07/introduction_to_singapore_soci.html

    Whether the SA has a right or not is not pertinent to the discussion here. What is worth noting as an observer is this, it will continue to divide both readers and writers alike for a very long time to come.

    As much as I would like to place the blame on the SA. I believe much of it falls on darkness himself, only because he could have very easily brought the matter to a close by taking steps to clarify matters.

    However, for some bizarre reason, he chooses to keep the matter an ‘open’ abstraction and this naturally leaves considerable room for disputes to fester endlessly.

    Hence we see all this nervous energy spilling out in the open here.

    I hope I have not been overtly critical. I am just being very honest. Thank you once again for allowing me to say my piece.

  53. juicybaby said

    “IHateTheBrotherhood Says:
    August 2nd, 2007 at 12:46 pm
    Inspire,

    I am a scholar. Why should I come down to meet you when my problem is with the Brotherhood and their groupies ?

    If you want, you get your Brotherhood to show up, my whole gang will be there. I know you are not the harm-chee type, but my organization of scholars want to find out who the brotherhood is.

    Singapore wants to know how many masturbaters amongst the brotherhood is for real and not eh writer of the article himself.”

    ———

    hi 😉

    I am very sorry. I for one cannot understand what value this sort of post brings to the discussion.

    These people (Aurora etc) have worked hard to write an article and we get idiots like this who regularly come here to disrupt the thread for their own agenda.

    I wonder is it not enough that you dont even have the courtesy to even recognize they exist in the singapore review of blogosphere?

    Now it seems they cant even post an article without someone threatening, calling them names or just spouting hate.

    I agree with Dr, I too will just read and go from now. No point, trying to wade myself through the hatred here. It really makes me sick.

    Juicybaby

  54. prima delli said

    Good Morn,

    Not only do those boys get “Sent To Coventry” by Bernard Leong & Co.

    They regularly get name called here, threats are made, they are called everything from the devil to the great masturbater etc.

    To really top it off – they even get ultimatums from their own readers who think they have some royal blood or something demanding poor bambi darkness boy to even make a public apology etc and if they dont all of them are going to join some abbey etc petulant vanilla fancies galore or wat?

    How anyone can still remain effective and productive is really beyond me.

    I really have had enough so I too will just be reading and going from now.

    I will be making a recommendation to this effect on my SLF bulletin board. This is just to inform you, the rest of the other readers in the other SLF’s will also be informed. So pls dont say I didnt tell you.

  55. John Malokovich said

    What is very clear from all this is only one of a few possibilities:

    1. The definition of “acceptable” between the BP and IS owners have not been adequately defined.

    2. The IS owners believe anything goes and it is a free for all. Just look at post (16)! It begs the question, what’s this!!!!! Like Dr Lim, I have many follow up questions which I want to pose to the authors, but I am frankly afraid of being flamed and being called names here.

    It may be advisable Aurora for you to consider disabling the comments box permanently with every article published in the IS in future.

    I hope this helps Aurora, you obvious have zero support and gratitude for what you do so well day in and day. I know everyone says darkness is the man, but without you many of us readers will be lost Aurora. You’re my heroine. Love and kisses Johnny.

  56. cowboy said

    I just want to say this. Who are this people who are regularly disturbing the threads. You notice they never disturb other threads in the IS. Only the brotherhood articles. The question is why?

    I believe they dont want people to exchange views, so they disrupt it. They try to hijack it.Who are this people? Some of them regularly call darkness all types of things. Of course it doesnt seem to affect him on the outside, because he looks quite cool about it, but what kind of damage it does inside, we will never ever know.

    But I dont like it when people take pot shots at one people and then just run away, its not fair, so the brotherhood should serious log down the IP of these people, there are not many of them and keep in a folder, once they start posting again, that will form a pattern and from there their intentions will become very clear.

    As it is I personally feel, the webmaster here is not doing a very good job at all. If it is a free for all, then make it a free for all. If it is a site where mature discussions can be held, then let it be a place where mature discussions can be held. But dont confuse this with that and that with this. For example what is this?

    “Singapore wants to know how many masturbaters amongst the brotherhood is for real and not eh writer of the article himself.”

    I just want to ask you who do you think you are? You think you can come here and make all kinds of threats and then when they come knocking at your door you just pack up and run? And I wonder why was such a post allowed into creep into the discussion? What was the objective or goal of the webmaster here? I really dont understand with such a brilliant article like this, where does a post like this supposed to sit?

    “Singapore wants to know how many masturbaters amongst the brotherhood is for real and not eh writer of the article himself.”

    Can someone pls tell me? It means I can even scroll this post for my subordinates in my office to read, bc they will think I regularly surf around some sex pervert site. So what are these people who post this kind of thing trying to do here?

    I say this, take their IP, hire a lawyer, sue for damages and make them a bankrupt. If you lack the money just let me know, this can easily be done. Get the IP and do him in.

    For the time being cancel all the comments the webmaster here doesnt know what he is doing, he doesnt even have a bare idea.

  57. juimanji said

    Angry_reader

    “Actually I’m not being self-righteous at all. I’m giving you guys free advice.”

    They have obviously done their calculations. Dont worry I understand you care for the brotherhood etc. Perhaps you should know one thing that all of us old readers have known since the first day of the Brotherhood Press.

    All the controllers have to have legal knowledge. Did I tell you Aurora happens to be a Lawyer with a LLM in international Arbitration Law from Kings College London.

    Why the hell do you think those boys made an exception for a girl in the first place!

    Besides I hear Kendo is a peaceful sport, even the video posted even showed how civilized it was and after all it will be conducted according to the rules and regulations of the Kendo Federation so I am sure everything will be fine.

    Dont worry I really believe IHateTheBrotherhood will be in very good hands. As he said himself in

    “Singapore wants to know how many masturbaters amongst the brotherhood is for real…”

    So I am sure he expects an invitation.

  58. juimanji said

    “The true victims in this fracas will be IS and us normal readers because for no good reason at all, they may receive a lawyer letter to extract the brotherhood IP.”

    Go ahead, by the way do you know how many people out there have the brotherhood IP? Over 30,000 at it’s height in December 2003 in Hong Kong.

    Hey tell us something new!

  59. juimanji said

    Aurora,

    Go ahead after all remember what IHateTheBrotherhood said,

    “Brotherhood so brave, come out and lets meet in Orchard Road lah !”

    So he can hardly blame those boys if they go through the trouble of giving him a happy surprise can they?

    I mean, I am not an English expert but, “come out and lets meet” cant be clearer than day to me.

    So angry_reader, I really dont understand where you are coming from really. I dont even know what you are talking abt when you say people will suffer or Aurora should beat a hasty retreat.

    Infact I cannot even see one reason why the webmaster of the Intelligent Singaporean will not even cooperate to make the stated dreams and aspirations of IHateTheBrotherhood come true.

    And Yes, do go and report it to the Police, I hear they have many there who are also very good at Kendo.

    They have done their calculations, let him do his.

  60. juimanji said

    This is what I will recommend to the chappies (chapter readers in my SLF) – all future articles, “comment closed” – only because I dont even see a clear and define strategy. Neither do I have much confidence in the webmaster here.

    Thats my point of view and Aurora if you need more lawyers let me know, I just happen to run one. Many thanks and remember no retreat girl, you’re the only girl in the b’hood, if you go KOHO comes back and things will never ever be the same again, thats the good thing about being the only rose out there in the steppe LOL

  61. juimanji said

    Even Kitana had the brotherhood IP, they even sent it to her and when she said, “I am going to expose you!” Everyone in the SLF laughed for a whole week!

    I think IHateTheBrotherhood will enjoy himself – after all Aurora is just fulfilling his wishes. I see no legal issue there. Its only a legal issue if what they say here and what happens in reality differs to suggest foul play, but always remember when a person participates in any kind of sport there always the waiver of volenti non fit injuria – only because something can always happen, but from what I see of IHateTheBrotherhood, he seems like quite a sportsman, so again I see absolutely no issue.

    Go Aurora make his day come true

  62. shoestring said

    Sigh, here we go again. I am just wondering. Could it be those trouble-makers aren’t from the SA, but PAP ninjas trying to divide and conquer the blogosphere? They are still around aren’t they? And from the way some of those trouble-makers speak, they remind me of the arrogance and high-handed manners of the powers that be.

    The BP isn’t ostracized by the rest, at least not 100% as some would like us to believe. I still see their articles being linked on the TOC site.

    In any case, the loss of the BP will be a great loss to the blogosphere. Call me a minion if you wish. That doesn’t make me one. What kind of person judges, so harshly, others whom they haven’t even met?

    But think who would benefit most from a weakened blogosphere? So all these jealousy (if the trouble-makers are from SA) and attacks on the Brotherhood has to go. They have the right to freedom of speech too.

    Go back to the basics. Why are you blogging? For the good of our country? Really? Or for personal gain, fame, etc.?

  63. Angry_Reader said

    Juimanji,

    It’s not very responsible to bait Aurora to take bigger risks. You know that she was the one who offered the kendo duel to the offensive poster. If anything happens, it will happen to her and not to you.

    Your comment on being non-traceable is also an assumption. The brotherhood is safe if the webmaster has no idea who at least one member of the brotherhood is. Otherwise, I would’nt make bets about many people using one IP and thus being able to get away scot-free.

    Personally, disabling comments is a best alternative. Aurora will not need to retreat and no more irritating posts from random idiots.

    The webmaster will get it first. If you’re not the webmaster, stop instigating others from BP to make matters even worse.

    Your fans who love your postings will be very disappointed indeed.

  64. darkness said

    Dear all,

    Enough….do you want to know what I do when shit storm gets stirred?

    I recite a poem. Yes, I know it sounds strange, but I do.

    Not any poem but one that stills it all and puts me in the eye of the storm where I am able to see every so clearly in its right perspective.

    There are no rights and wrongs only if’s…..If you can keep your head when all about you when others are losing theirs and blaming it on you,

    If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you
    But make allowance for their doubting too,

    If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,

    Or being lied about, don’t deal in lies,

    Or being hated, don’t give way to hating,

    And yet don’t look too good, nor talk too wise:

    If you can dream–and not make dreams your master,

    If you can think–and not make thoughts your aim;

    If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster

    And treat those two impostors just the same;

    If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken
    twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,

    Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken (and this the toughest part),
    And stoop and build ’em up with worn-out tools:

    If you can make one heap of all your winnings
    And risk it all on one turn of pitch-and-toss,

    And lose, and start again at your beginnings

    And never breath a word about your loss;

    If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
    To serve your turn long after they are gone,

    And so hold on when there is nothing in you
    Except the Will which says to them: “Hold on!”

    If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
    Or walk with kings–nor lose the common touch,

    If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you;

    If all men count with you, but none too much,

    If you can fill the unforgiving minute
    With sixty seconds’ worth of distance run,

    Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it,
    And–which is more–you’ll be a woman, my child!

    Do you understand why it has to stop now Aurora?

    Be calm, breathe….if it doesn’t bother me one bit, why should it bother any of you?

    If only…..if only…if

    Darkness 2007

  65. darkness said

    We cannot stop people from saying or thinking any more than we can stop a baby from crying, but we can certainly control how we respond to these words and thoughts.

    You are absolutely right Aurora. I dont a right to tell the controller what to do – if she decides to raise her hand even the mightiest starship has to come to a halt – this is the law that every monkey knows in the brotherhood from the highest to the lowest.

    However, I can hold your hand and take you to the window and perhaps share with you what I see.

    Do you see what I see Aurora? Do you understand now? Why it cannot be this way?

    When you are ready Aurora. In your own time. Under your own terms.

    Darkness 2007

  66. scimitar said

    I dont want to butt in, but looks like your controller snapped on you guys like a HAL 9000 unit. Now everyone is scrambling to put her head on her shoulders again.

    Maybe its time to replace her? Never did like her too opinionated for her own good.

    Can we please have the second part pleeeeeeze!

  67. If said

    By Rudyard Kipling

    He was by far the most widely read, and the best-loved, poet writing in English at the beginning of this century; every cultured person in the English speaking world was familiar with at least some of his poems. In 1907 he was awarded the Nobel Prize for Literature.

    Darkness, I think it is nice to give the old man his due credit.

    Best regards,

  68. inspir3d said

    Alright i think this comment fracas is getting out of hand.

    I have activated comment registration.

    All those who want to comment will have to register officially with wordpress.

    Brotherhood included.

    This will prevent cowards from commenting and leaving fake e-mail addresses; and all trouble makers will be traceable.

    Thank you.

  69. inspir3d said

    “As it is I personally feel, the webmaster here is not doing a very good job at all. If it is a free for all, then make it a free for all. If it is a site where mature discussions can be held, then let it be a place where mature discussions can be held. But dont confuse this with that and that with this. For example what is this?”

    Cowboy,

    you want to help me run the website?

    you can be my official comment moderator, ok? from your comments it seems you think you can do a better job than me.

    and if you don’t want to help out, keep your comments to yourself.

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